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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 5, 2011 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

I 100% disagree with this: "Once and a while they would really lock in and find a groove. It was very few and far between but they would do it."

Do you really think that they only locked in and found a groove from time to time?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

I guess it all depends on your definition of "locking in"

By my definition, and obviously that of Trucks, the Grateful Dead rarely locked in. Their playing style did not lend itself to "locking in" like that of the Allmans.

As LIA has pointed out, "the Allmans didn't jam like the Dead did; the Allmans had fewer styles & were more focused on a strict blues/country groove, preferring tight, rehearsed solos to on-the-edge group improv."

Is that difficult for you to understand?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 6, 2011 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

No, Cliff, not so hard to understand, even for my feeble mind. But it does seem silly to quibble about the definition of something as amorphous as "locking in." To me, the idea that the Dead were rarely locked in -- especially during certain periods -- is laughable. Perhaps Trucks uses that term differently that most people; perhaps he doesn't really "get" the Dead. But to me, the Dead absolutely epitomize the term.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 6, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

Interesting. I find the music of the Grateful Dead to be the antithesis of "locked in" and that's why I enjoy it so much more than that of the Allmans!

I'd love to see some exammples of what you consider the Grateful Dead "locking in" like the Allmans...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 6, 2011 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

We're obviously talking about different things. I certainly don't define "locked in" as "sounding like the Allman Brothers." We're talking about apples and oranges here, and trying to apply a specific definition to a term that is open to interpretation.

To me, when the Dead were playing well, they were locked in -- listening, anticipating, moving together and complementing each other perfectly through complex jams. In my interpretation of it, it's perfectly feasible to be "locked in" even during an open-ended jam.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 6, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

I thought so. Trucks was right. The Grateful Dead really didn't "lock in" all that much. Which was a good thing in my opinion...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 6, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

Perhaps you're talking about that "signature" Allman Brothers sound where Dicky and Duane would play the same riff simultaneously and note-for-note. If that's your definition of "locked in" then I agree completely.

When I say that the Dead are "locked in," I simply mean that they're playing together, anticipating each other's moves, and turning on a dime when it counts. Very different.

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 5, 2011 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

great point!!

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